From dlh7339@yahoo.com Mon May 12 08:58:34 2003
Subject:Re: V5 and Oberheim OB3-2

I will definitely let you know the type of sound I get
if I combine the sound. I am a blues player in
Nashville, and I used the V5 last weekend. I am not
convinced it is that much better than the OB. We will
see what happens. I think the percussion on the V5 is
pretty weak, but someone told me there may be a mod
for the percussion. Does anyone in the group know if
there is a mod for the percussion on the V5?

--- rotosphere2001
wrote:
> -Hi Dale,
> A mixer is definitely the way to go especially as
> one output is
> hotter than the other, but it need only be a simple
> ( but active)
> mixer. I expect there are loads on Ebay as we post.
>
> The Ob has been well received by the music press and
> has a fair bit
> to offer if you ignore the Leslie sim, which I found
> not too bad as
> long as it was in stereo, centreing the L & R,
> thereby reducing it to
> mono was disastrous.
> The major fault on the OB was the phaseing you get
> when holding
> chords on upper and lower manual together. ( Not a
> problem if you
> stick to one board ) whereas the V3/V5 is rock
> steady.
>
> If you get a small mixer and get it up and running,
> let us all know
> how you find the sound of the two units played
> together.
>
> I run two modules and there's another guy who has
> successfully
> combined a CX3 and Native Instruments B-4.
>
> Good Luck, Thomas.
>
> -- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, Dale Hunter
> wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate the suggestions, but I guess I should
> > have explained myself. I am using the OB3^2
> keyboard,
> > and I run the unit through a KBR 3D. This is
> actually
> > a great sound, but I have always wanted a V5. The
> > Leslie Sim on the Oberheim is a piece of crap, so
> I
> > have never used it. You are right about the Voce
> > actually playing through the OB. I have connected
> the
> > audio out of the V5 into the KBR 3D. The easiest
> thing
> > to do would be to plug the OB into the KBR 3d, and
> the
> > V5 into the KBR. I tried this, but the volume of
> the
> > V5 didn't match up to the volume of the OB, so the
> > sounds of the OB were much louder than the V5. I
> may
> > not be doing the midi right. The bottom line is,
> if I
> > could run both keyboards into the KBR,and get
> matching
> > volumes then I could determine whether or not my
> > experiment would work. In response to the other
> guy
> > saying that I should ditch the OB3^2, the OB3 has
> > great vibrato, chorus, and percussion. In
> comparing
> > the V5 and the OB, there are some sounds on the OB
> > that are much warmer than the V5 (so far). The
> mixer
> > may be the way to go, and I thank you for that
> > suggestion. If you have any other suggestions,
> then
> > let me know
> >
> > --- rotosphere2001
> > wrote:
> > > I'm intrigued by your question and wondered
> whether
> > > you could explain
> > > in a little more detail how you have set up the
> two
> > > units, and also a
> > > little bit more about the OB3^2.
> > >
> > > First off, is the OB a keyboard or a module?
> > > Second, what are you feeding the audio outs of
> both
> > > units into?
> > > Third, are you using the in-built Leslie sim on
> the
> > > OB?
> > > Fourth, as the V5 doesn't have an in-built sim,
> what
> > > are you using
> > > for the rotary unit?
> > > Lastly, how have you set up the midi connection
> so
> > > that OB midi out
> > > is connected to V5 midi in and checked that the
> V5
> > > is receiving on
> > > the same midi channel that the OB is
> transmitting
> > > on?
> > >
> > > You say that you can get the V5 to play through
> the
> > > OB, but the OB
> > > doesn't have audio inputs, so the V5 can't
> actually
> > > play "through
> > > the OB"
> > >
> > > Reading between the lines, are you midi'd up
> > > correctly and so
> > > expecting the the OB's sounds will somehow relay
> via
> > > midi cable thru
> > > to the V5's audio?
> > > This definitely won't happen any time soon. Both
> > > units' audio outs
> > > have to be fed to a mixer and then on to a
> Leslie
> > > sim or Leslie.
> > >
> > > If you get the above sorted out you then have to
> > > decide what to do
> > > about the drawbars on both unit. Would you want
> them
> > > to work so that
> > > the OB's draws work the drawbars' sound on the
> V5 so
> > > that they work
> > > in sync.
> > > Unless it happens that the OB and V5 share
> > > indentical drawbar midi
> > > control numbers, then you have to put a little
> gizmo
> > > into the midi
> > > line from OB to V5, or if you prefer to use the
> V5
> > > to control the OB,
> > > then the gizmo is put in the midi link between
> V5
> > > midi out to OB's
> > > midi in.
> > >
> > > BTW the gizmo is a Midi Solutions Midi Mapper as
> > > found on
> > > www.ashbysolutions.com ( the web-site of founder
> > > member Bruce Wahler,
> > > not Bruce Whaler, as some-one spellt it recently
> > > which I though a bit
> > > fishy )
> > >
> > > It may be possible to combine the two units with
> a
> > > good effect so it
> > > is in theory a good idea.
> > > The OB has some advantages over the V5, as it
> > > features reverb and
> > > strong percussion.
> > >
> > > I have a Viscount DB3 module ( whose sounds I'm
> not
> > > at present
> > > using ) which I have midi'd to an Electro and at
> the
> > > same time to a
> > > Hammond XM1 module. Using a Midi mapper, the DB
> > > draws work the draws
> > > on the Electro which only has electronic
> > > drawbuttons, . I've set up
> > > identical patches on both the Hammond and
> Electro
> > > and used the built
> > > in sim of the Electro and run the Hammond's
> straight
> > > sound into a
> > > Dynacord DLS300 Leslie sim then mixed the two
> > > sounds, and also got
> > > the ramp'up/down on both "Leslie" units to work
> in
> > > sync, so what you
> > > want to do can be done and it was worth the
> hassle
> > > in my case as it
> > > sounds great.
> > >
> > > The main thing to remember is that midi just
> sends
> > > control
> > > information, like volume, which key is played,
> > > sustain etc., whereas
> > > the actual sound comes out of the audio outs.
> > >
> > > So it wasn't a stupid question as what you're
> trying
>
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